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<div>Yeah, I didn’t quite expect that reaction, but was an interesting spectator sport!!</div>
<div>So, clearly it’s possible ;-)</div>
<div>Any pointers on achieving the same? </div>
<div>I.e. Mondrian 4 in BI Server CE 6 with Saiku plugin</div>
<div>Thanks for the time in looking into this</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org">mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org</a>> on behalf of Tom Barber <<a href="mailto:tom@analytical-labs.com">tom@analytical-labs.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, 6 April 2016 at 13:03<br>
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<div>Look at this hornets nest your stirred up Conrad! ;)</div>
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<div>Anyway back to the topic in hand, I played around this morning, it needs a biit more work to tidy it up, but </div>
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<div>There's Saiku 3 running Mondrian 4 in Pentaho 6.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 April 2016 at 11:46, Julian Hyde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:julianhyde@gmail.com" target="_blank">julianhyde@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Pentaho is doing a fine job of maintaining Mondrian 3, but the changes are just refinements and bug fixes, nothing radical.
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<div>There are quite a few companies investing in OLAP on Hadoop and I think they would be interested in developing Mondrian if it had an Apache license, a more open governance model, and the opportunity for more radical change.</div>
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<div>On the subject of governance. Over the last couple of weeks I've been trying to get olap4j functioning as a community again. This means going through the backlog of pull requests and committing the ones that are ready. It means making releases, including
source code and javadoc, of olap4j and olap4j-xmlaserver, on Maven Central. Because that's what people expect these days.</div>
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<div>And it's working. There's been a surge in interest on the olap4j-devel mailing list, and in github, and pull requests are coming in with improvements people have been making to the XMLA server.</div>
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<div>I'll be asking to make a release of Mondrian 4 -- off of a side branch, with a version number like 4.6.0-olap4j2 -- so that olap4j has a reference implementation to work against.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Dan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dan@dankeeley.co.uk" target="_blank">dan@dankeeley.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">It's not the license it's the ownership. Why would your competitors contribute to your product?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Put it in Asf, maintain your own quirks if you must (and proprietary interfaces fine! ) and everyone contributes to a common goal.</p>
<p dir="ltr">There's no doubt you would get more comitters in Asf. Maybe even jasper /tibco ☺<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 Apr 2016 10:47, "Pedro Alves" <<a href="mailto:pmgalves@gmail.com" target="_blank">pmgalves@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br defang_type="attribution">
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I think the problem is that there's tons of stuff shared between m3 and m4, but I'm not a legal guy. I'll ask...</p>
<p dir="ltr">However, I kinda don't understand what stops that work to happen over the existing EPL license.... But like I said, my knowledge around legal stuff is pretty much inexistent... :(<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 6, 2016 10:43 AM, "Dan" <<a href="mailto:dan@dankeeley.co.uk" target="_blank">dan@dankeeley.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br defang_type="attribution">
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<p dir="ltr">Pedro that's a great point.</p>
<p dir="ltr">What if others would help with m4? </p>
<p dir="ltr">Why not put m4 (not 3) into Asf? (Apache software foundation) You'd get loads more support and help.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Plus the cynic would say you'd get great pr.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Well?</p>
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<p dir="ltr">For the needs of our users (customers and community) m4, unfortunately, isn't ready yet and to get there there's a heavy investment involved that we're not sure if makes sense for us to do alone. To be clear, by "it's not ready", I'm talking about
functionality parity to what can be done today with m3. While it's clear to be that, architecturally speaking, m4 may be superior, in the field that's not reason alone to make such an important decision.</p>
<p dir="ltr">My recommendation is, within pentaho, use Mondrian 3. It's what we maintain, fix and improve<br>
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<div dir="ltr">FWIW the stuff in the blog post doesn't work for Saiku in 5.x either :)
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<div>Basically the later versions of 5.x and 6 ship Mondrian 4 for the Mongo stuff, you can't drop the libs in, the question is though, can we expose that engine to Saiku as a BI Server plugin. I added some connectivity stuff to tell Saiku to use mondrian 4
with certain data sources in the BI server, but I don't think the OSGI based Mondrian 4 engine is available. </div>
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<div>Thanks for comments so far (and the offer Tom).</div>
<div>So, as it stands currently my choices appear to use BI Server 6 CE with Mondrian 3.11 (with Saiku too) or move down to 5.x with 4 (following the blog post mentioned previously).</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 April 2016 at 08:27, Dan Keeley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dan@dankeeley.co.uk" target="_blank">dan@dankeeley.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p>This is a good question, unfortunately there's no easy answer. I suggest posting it on the Pentaho community mailing list though, you may get more traction.</p>
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<p>Essentially Pentaho just haven't got the guts (or confidence in their test team) to move to Mondrian 4 - everything they've done recently shows no commitment to it. Even to the point where new features are still going into Mondrian3. I spoke to the head
of dev about it a few years ago and he just said why do you want mondrian 4? he couldnt see why I was asking.</p>
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<div>I’ve read the blog post [1] by Will Gorman which discusses Mondrian 4 installation into Pentaho 5.1, but this is from June 2014. I am looking for something a bit more recent that points in the direction of using the latest Pentaho 6 CE with Mondrian 4
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<div>I have the Mondrian in Action book which is based on Mondrian 4 so coming to this a new it makes sense (to me) to start on v4, but I am a little frustrated by Pentaho CE only having Mondrian v3.11 with it. I haven’t tried it (so that may just be the answer)
but will the instructions in [1] get me to where I want to be with Mondrian 4 and BI Server 6 CE (and will Mondrian be able to be work with all the other data sources)?</div>
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<div>Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get started from a new installation with little knowledge.</div>
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