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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The Cache function includes evaluation context in its key, and looking back at the query I was thinking the Except() might be evaluated at each projected intersection.
But actually- since it’s in a named set it should be evaluated once in the context of the slicer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hilario- if you could reproduce the poor performance with Foodmart that could help us diagnose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org [mailto:mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Luc Boudreau<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 16, 2015 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mondrian developer mailing list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mondrian] Except function performance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The full docs about Cache() is here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://mondrian.pentaho.com/documentation/performance.php#Optimizing_Calculations_with_the_Expression_Cache">http://mondrian.pentaho.com/documentation/performance.php#Optimizing_Calculations_with_the_Expression_Cache</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not sure why it wouldn't work. It's a trivial function implementation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Hilario Fernandes <<a href="mailto:hilario.fernandes@cortex-intelligence.com" target="_blank">hilario.fernandes@cortex-intelligence.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately using the Cache() around the except in the <span style="font-size:9.5pt">FILTERED_D set seems no make no difference... Any reason why it shouldn't?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Brandon Jackson <<a href="mailto:usbrandon@gmail.com" target="_blank">usbrandon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Luc! Thanks for that golden nugget.<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Luc Boudreau <<a href="mailto:lucboudreau@gmail.com" target="_blank">lucboudreau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>If you know that a given mdx expression will always return the same value, you can wrap it in a Cache() function.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 16, 2015 10:55, "Hilario Fernandes" <<a href="mailto:hilario.fernandes@cortex-intelligence.com" target="_blank">hilario.fernandes@cortex-intelligence.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The set returned by the Except() is small, 3 members. If we replace the except with those 3 members, the performance is closer to expected.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there some way we can avoid the except from being recalculated on each iteration?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Matt Campbell <<a href="mailto:mcampbell@pentaho.com" target="_blank">mcampbell@pentaho.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">NonEmptyCrossJoin and Crossjoin on a NON EMPTY axis are mapped to the same native evaluator, so there
should be no difference.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">How big is the set returned by Except? That Aggregate() needs to be evaluated for each tuple on the
rows, which can be time consuming for larger sets.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Just out of curiosity, if you replace the named set containing the Except with the same enumerated
members the except() would return, do you see much difference?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><a href="mailto:mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hilario Fernandes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 15, 2015 1:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mondrian developer mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mondrian] Except function performance<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you for your reply Matt! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We are using the CrossJoin() function in our mdx, i just used the '*' operator for readability. Will NonEmptyCrossjoin() be more efficient than CrossJoin() considering that we are
using NonEmpty on the axis?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Unfortunately we already have the ExpandNonNative property set to true.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Matt Campbell <<a href="mailto:mcampbell@pentaho.com" target="_blank">mcampbell@pentaho.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Except() is not handled natively. You can try setting “mondrian.native.ExpandNonNative=true”, which
will evaluate the except non-natively and attempt to include the resulting tuples in a native context. That property is enabled by default in Pentaho biserver, but false by default in Mondrian.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Another thing that caught my eye- the ‘*’ crossjoin operator in your query is not mapped to native
crossjoin (MONDRIAN-2284). So that could also be a factor. Try replacing the crossjoins with nested NonEmptyCrossJoin().</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><a href="mailto:mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mondrian-bounces@pentaho.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hilario Fernandes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 15, 2015 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mondrian mailing list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mondrian] Except function performance</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hello!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I've sent this question a while ago without any replay, bringing it up again.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As I could see, using something like except in that crossjoin, it cannot use a native evaluation and that slows things really a lot. This is as far as i've gotten, maybe someone
that knows how things work more in dept can throw some comments in?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Hilario Fernandes <<a href="mailto:hilario.fernandes@cortex-intelligence.com" target="_blank">hilario.fernandes@cortex-intelligence.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The point of the TotalA measure is to return the total of the measure for every A member, repeating it for the rest of the other dimension members on the axis. The problem is this
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thing is, when the except is used in the TotalA calculation its makes the evaluation a lot slower. This only happens with except, if something like Filter(members, measure >100)
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Can anyone shed some light on why this happens? And maybe some ideas to work around it with some other way to achieve the same result.<o:p></o:p></p>
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