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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>Julian,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>Comment to 1) Left
behind.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>I subscribed to the new
pentaho mailing list and forums, but I never got the opportunity to unsubscribe
from the old forums and mailing</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>list. I cannot
access those pages any more since they are removed. But since this
happened, I am receiving a lot of spam from those</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>old lists and forums,
something I did not receive before the transition. Maybe I need to contact
sourceforge support for that, if I find some time.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>Comment to 2) Subscribing
to forums</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>With the old forums, I
was able to receive the full messages as email, now I am only getting a daily
digest, containing only the subject. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>Since then, I notice I do
not take time to browse to the website and read / answer messages.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>Anyhow, the old forums
also had annoying things : I could not reply using my email client and I did not
receive my own post </SPAN><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>as email.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>Comment to the mondrian
mailing list</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>I notice some
non-mondrian developers are starting to use the mailing list. I think it
would be much better to keep things separate,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>maybe
if non-developers want to use a mailing list instead of the forums,
there could be another non-developer mailing list created?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>Something like devel and
user ?</SPAN><SPAN class=046541508-16032007> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046541508-16032007>Bart</SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> mondrian-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:mondrian-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Julian
Hyde<BR><B>Sent:</B> vrijdag 16 maart 2007 2:26<BR><B>To:</B> 'mondrian-devel';
mondrian-users@lists.sourceforge.net; mondrian@pentaho.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'Doug
Moran'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Mondrian-devel] Mondrian's transition from
sourceforge.net topentaho.org: How was it for you?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>A few months
ago we transitioned the forums and mailing lists of the Mondrian project from
SourceForge.net to Pentaho.org. The goal was a better experience for you, the
mondrian community, by using a better forum software, and closer integration
with other Pentaho projects, and I think we have achieved that
goal.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>But change is
always disruptive, and although we tried to make the transition as smooth as
possible, we knew there would be problems. So, I'd like to find out how the
transition went for you, and what we could do to improve
things.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>A few common
problems have come to light:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><STRONG>1.
Left behind!</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Some
SourceForge users are still subscribed to the SourceForge lists and forums
because they didn't know the transition was taking place.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>If you are a
member of the mondrian-devel or mondrian-users mailing lists, or a subscriber to
the Help or Open Discussion forums at SourceForge, sign up for the Pentaho
list and forum:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<UL>
<LI><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><SPAN
class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>The forum (<A
href="http://forums.pentaho.org/forumdisplay.php?f=79">http://forums.pentaho.org/forumdisplay.php?f=79</A>)
</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<LI><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>The
mailing list, <A href="mailto:mondrian@pentaho.org">mondrian@pentaho.org</A>
is a general mailing list, but the discussion up til now tends to be oriented
to commiters (e.g. internal design issues)</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<DIV><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Bugs and
feature requests are still logged at SourceForge.net (<A
href="http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=35302">http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=35302</A>)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><STRONG>2.
Subscribing to forums</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>One neat
feature at SourceForge is the ability to subscribe to a forum, so you receive an
email every time someone creates a new thread or posts to an existing thread.
This is a useful feature for people who want to keep up with the latest news,
but don't want to log in to the forums every day, or who like to read forum
posts while offline.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>When we
rolled out the Pentaho forums, we didn't make it clear that the same
functionality existed. Here's how.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>To subscribe
to a forum, click on 'Forum Tools', then choose 'Subscribe to this Forum'. You
can choose between daily and weekly emails.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007></SPAN><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT
face=Verdana color=#000080><STRONG>3. Mondrian's
independence</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Some people
were worried that Mondrian is 'becoming part of Pentaho', and losing its
independence.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>The folks at
Pentaho are committed to building a BI suite using Open Source development
model. That means integrating mondrian with best-of-breed projects, acquiring
some of those projects to have a greater say over those projects' direction, and
starting new projects where there is missing functionality. Pentaho knows that
Open Source works best when <SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>the components</FONT></SPAN>:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<UL>
<LI><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>can be
built and installed independently of each other;</FONT></SPAN>
<LI><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>are based
on open standards (where they exist);</FONT></SPAN>
<LI><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>are
released under a commercial-friendly license; and</FONT></SPAN>
<LI><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>are fostered by open communication with each component's
community.</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><SPAN
class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Pentaho is
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>committed to those principles, because those values help us build
the best possible Open Source BI suite. <SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT
face=Verdana color=#000080>Because Pentaho care about these issues, they
recently appointed a VP responsible for Community, Doug
Moran.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><SPAN
class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><SPAN
class=716222721-12032007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>And yes, those principles
sometimes mean that we are collaborating with projects and organizations that
some would consider competitors. We relish that. That's the beauty of open
source!</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080><STRONG>Other
problems?</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>Are there
problems which have prevented you being as successful with the Pentaho forums
and lists as you were when Mondrian was wholly hosted at SourceForge? Let us
know.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana
color=#000080>Julian</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=716222721-12032007><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080>(Message also
posted to forum: <A
href="http://forums.pentaho.org/showthread.php?p=156500">http://forums.pentaho.org/showthread.php?p=156500</A>.)</FONT></SPAN></P><BR>______________________________________________________________________<BR>This
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